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Iltis-Forum => Akute technische Probleme/Fehler und deren Lösungen => Thema gestartet von: Baxter am 25. Januar 2011, 23:22

Titel: Prop shaft - for the WiKi?
Beitrag von: Baxter am 25. Januar 2011, 23:22

After getting my Iltis running, I notices a noisy joint on the drive train.
Today I removed the prop shaft (cardan shaft?)
I have measured it and spoken to GKN.

Dimesnions
25 splines
32mm deep
100mm outer diameter
6 holes
86mm PCD (bolt circle)
holes to suit 8mm bolts.

Loebro No - 301142

But then that number crosses over to lots of items!
ALFA ROMEO  0004315132  
 
ALFA ROMEO  0009936769  
 
ALFA ROMEO  0060806930  
 
ALFA ROMEO  0082282139  
 
ALFA ROMEO  0092601388  
 
ALFA ROMEO  0092601892  
 
ALFA ROMEO  4315132  
 
ALFA ROMEO  60806930  
 
ALFA ROMEO  82282139  
 
ALFA ROMEO  92601388  
 
ALFA ROMEO  92601892  
 
ALFA ROMEO  9936769  
 
FIAT  0001493963  
 
FIAT  0004315132  
 
FIAT  0009936769  
 
FIAT  0046307129  
 
FIAT  0060806930  
 
FIAT  0082282139  
 
FIAT  0092601388  
 
FIAT  0092601892  
 
FIAT  1493963  
 
FIAT  4315132  
 
FIAT  46307129  
 
FIAT  60806930  
 
FIAT  72GG4635BA  
 
FIAT  82282139  
 
FIAT  92601388  
 
FIAT  92601892  
 
FIAT  9936769  
 
FORD  1493963  
 
FORD  4315132  
 
FORD  60806930  
 
FORD  72GG4635BA  
 
FORD  82282139  
 
 FORD  92601388  
 
FORD  92601892  
 
FORD  9936769  
 
LANCIA  0004315132  
 
LANCIA  0009936769  
 
LANCIA  0046307129  
 
LANCIA  0060806930  
 
LANCIA  0082282139  
 
LANCIA  0092601388  
 
LANCIA  0092601892  
 
LANCIA  4315132  
 
LANCIA  46307129  
 
LANCIA  60806930  
 
LANCIA  82282139  
 
LANCIA  92601388  
 
LANCIA  92601892  
 
LANCIA  9936769

I am unsure of the heat treatment on the item listed above, the Iltis joint seems to have a black harnened finish, GKN do not have a listing for this part so they could not confirm if the item listed above.
The part above is dimensionally correct, it will bolt on and work.

Titel: Re: Prop shaft - for the WiKi?
Beitrag von: www.iltisteile.com am 26. Januar 2011, 08:13

you should remember that wheel joints do not properly work in cardan joint due to different angle of work

Titel: Re: Prop shaft - for the WiKi?
Beitrag von: Baxter am 26. Januar 2011, 22:45

hmm, GKN themselves gave me the part numbers and did not mention this?
Maybe it's the black industrial finish on the joint that makes this different from a normal constant velocity joint?
I will ask further..

Titel: Re: Prop shaft - for the WiKi?
Beitrag von: www.iltisteile.com am 27. Januar 2011, 08:28

computerpeople :)

just disassemble the two joints (prop + cardan) and compare the ball paths
there you will see a very varied path

Titel: Re: Prop shaft - for the WiKi?
Beitrag von: chrislb am 27. Januar 2011, 13:39

Sorry, Tobi-Iltisteile,
I don't understand your arguments.
Of course, one should never use a constant-velocity-joint with a too small max tolerable angle.
But the working angle of the wheel joints is bigger than that of the cardan (=prop shaft).
So, where's the problem?

Oder auf deutsch:
wenn man ein Gleichlaufgelenk mit weniger als dem zulässigen Auslenkungswinkel benutzt liegt man auf der sicheren Seite. Andersrum ist's Mist.

Titel: Re: Prop shaft - for the WiKi?
Beitrag von: www.iltisteile.com am 27. Januar 2011, 17:51

es geht nicht um den winkel, aber um die belastbarkeit

it's not about the angle but about the load capacity

Titel: Re: Prop shaft - for the WiKi?
Beitrag von: chrislb am 27. Januar 2011, 18:59

I understand.
It's not the angle (that's what I read from your input yesterday) but the load capacity. Shaft has to drive two wheels.